In this insightful conversation, Nik Gowing, founder of Thinking the Unthinkable, sits down with Aron Cramer, President and CEO of BSR (Business for Social Responsibility). The discussion centers around the urgent challenges leaders face today, from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to the escalating climate emergency. Together, they explore how these crises intersect and the pressure businesses face to adapt quickly to a rapidly changing world.

Aron shares his thoughts on how business leaders are grappling with the dual crises of climate change and geopolitical instability. He highlights that while many are reacting to these events, the pace of change is overwhelming. Cramer emphasizes that businesses must navigate not only technological disruption but also the moral imperative to act on climate. The conversation touches on the need for both immediate actions and long-term solutions to address climate change, warning against letting current events distract from this critical issue.

A key theme in their discussion is the role of businesses in shaping a sustainable future. While businesses have shown some response to the climate emergency, there is concern over the slow pace of systemic change. Cramer stresses that withdrawing from markets, like Russia, may be simpler than transitioning to sustainable business models. He urges leaders to stay focused on climate goals, noting that a failure to address the climate crisis now will have devastating consequences for future generations.

The conversation concludes with a call for decisive leadership in both the corporate world and governments. Cramer underscores the need for accelerated climate action and a reimagining of the global economy that accounts for social and environmental justice. As climate-related disasters intensify, the responsibility to act has never been clearer, and the need for resilient, forward-thinking leadership is more pressing than ever.