The Thinking the Unthinkable Podcast
Join former BBC World News Presenter Nik Gowing for bold, positive conversations with visionary leaders, innovators, and change-makers.
Discover how leaders are dealing positively with Unthinkables from geopolitical instability to the climate and biodiversity crisis.
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You can access the video, audio links, and full transcript of each 20-minute podcast below.
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‘The Unthinkable Is Here’: What Leaders Must Do Now – with Kylie Porter
For Kylie Porter, thinking the unthinkable is not optional. “It’s a big hairy topic that must not be avoided. It’s what we do all the…
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‘More Optimistic Than I’ve Ever Been’: On Nature Security and Growth – with Tony Juniper
This positive view from tireless campaigner, environmental activist and conservationist Tony Juniper is remarkable. Tony is currently chair of Natural England. He has been an…
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‘Baby Steps’ on Climate Will Not Work – with Kumi Naidoo
We have been mopping the floor for 30 years. But we never turned off the tap. Now there are grounds for optimism. There is a…
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Boards Don’t Fail. They Wait. – with Helle Bank Jørgensen
Helle Bank Jørgensen unwraps a hard truth about today’s boardrooms. The comforting belief that waiting is responsible governance no longer holds. In conditions of accelerating…
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Unwrapping Optimism: What’s Really Changing After COP30 – with Simon Sharpe
Simon Sharpe unwraps optimism. He challenges the prevailing downbeat narrative surrounding COP30. Despite the disappointment over the lack of ambition in the final communique, Simon…
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“Dream Mad. Dream Crazy.” It’s Brave. It’s Bold. And It Works. – with Inder Poonaji
Inder Poonaji champions radical thinking in sustainability and leadership as the Director of ESG at Modulaire. He promotes collaboration, imagination, and risk-taking to ignite innovation.…
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Big Impact, Small Changes: How Sustainability Adds Value – with Sarah Mukherjee
Sarah Mukherjee, CEO of ISEP, highlights how 21,000 sustainability professionals are proving that the green transition is accelerating. Their work shows sustainability is now driving…
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Disputing the Fossil Fuel Future – with Sir Jeremy Greenstock & Mark Campanale
Are fossil fuels truly in retreat? Our podcast with Mark Campanale, Founder of Carbon Tracker, sparked a major debate and drew six-figure engagement. It prompted…
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“We Are Going to Solve the Climate Crisis, Have No Fears” – with Sweta Chakraborty
Sweta Chakraborty, CEO of We Don’t Have Time, emphasises the importance of strategic communication in addressing the climate crisis. While recognizing public fear, she advocates…
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Positive Tipping Points: Overcoming Climate Instability – with Laurie Laybourn
Laurie Laybourn, Executive Director of the Strategic Climate Risks Initiative, emphasises the importance of agency in addressing climate and societal challenges in a recent podcast.…
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The Oil Age Is Ending: We’re Watching It “Shrink Gracefully” – with Mark Campanale
The fossil fuel industry is experiencing a deliberate contraction, as companies like Saudi Aramco prioritize cashing out over growth. Mark Campanale from Carbon Tracker highlights…
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Hard Truth: The Last 50% Will Be Far More Difficult – with John Flint
John Flint, CEO of the UK’s National Wealth Fund, says it plainly: “The status quo will not get us where we need to be” on…
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